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Can morality exist without God?
October 26, 2009 - 10:20am
Morality is conceptual by nature and are not the properties of the universe. Thus, we cannot detect them through science. Science is based on the natural that can be observable and testable. By contrast, morality is immaterial and transcendent. In other words, they are above man and they cannot be the product of the human mind nor chemical reaction of the brain.
There are objective moral absolutes which reflect an absolute transcendental mind. They don't depend on personal preferences, cultures, society, and situation. In an atheistic worldview, there is no right and wrong. Everything is relative. Once you remove God, you remove the standard by which objective truth is based on. Thus, we can argue that morality is dependent on God, and is necessary for us to me moral creatures.
October 26, 2009 - 7:03pm
#2
mSyANG wrote:
Morality comes from within each individual. NOT from God or by any other religious form or being. Each person's own set of values and morals are derived from their upbringing, relationships with parents/family, environment, and also through heredity whether they believe in a god or not.
What you're saying is that people often form their own moral standards that suits them. So you argue that moral are subjective and therefore invented, right? Actually, people that doesnt believe in God can still be ethical. Whether they like it or not, have the laws of God written on their hearts. Moral laws are objective and absolutes - they're not invented. It is practical and logical for anybody to be ethical. To say that people don't need God for morality to exist is naive.
Look to history, even people that believe in a diety, thus developed morals. Morals are passed down from parents to childrens who generally believe in God, or even other close relatives that were introduced the morality which was drawm from the concept of God. Look to the Declaration of Independance as it calls for all people to be treated equally as they were created by their Creator.
In fact, most, if not all of our laws were created by people who believe in God. It is built on Christian principles. That's what makes America great. Reasons why America is too corrupted nowadays, is becuase people are drawm away from this truth. That's becuase people wants to change and rewrite things.
mSyANG wrote:
Everyone understands the distinction between right and wrong...it just depends if they chose to care or not. it doesnt have anything to do with god because religious ppl of all religions have also done unrighteous things; not to say its just the ppl who doesnt believe in a god. religion can play a part in how ppl think and behave, but ultimately it comes down to their own personal values and ethics.
The statement i made by no means suggests that people who believe in God always act morally. But rather, the distinction between good and evil needs God to exist. Becuase without God, no man would not have the idea behind what is good and what is evil. It is God who gave these moral law to mankind eversince the creation. These laws then are passed down to generation to the next. So therefore, one needs God in order to have morality exist.
The reason why a person who dont believe in God knows or has morals, is becuase this person was influenced by the beliefs of the other (one who believes in God). But however, we're not here to debate if believers and nonbelievers are moral. We're discussing about whether morality would exist without God which i clearly shows that to be false. You need God to have morality possible. Thus, Businessman win! Vote for me.
May 5, 2010 - 10:56am
#3
Businessman wrote:
What you're saying is that people often form their own moral standards that suits them. So you argue that moral are subjective and therefore invented, right? Actually, people that doesnt believe in God can still be ethical. Whether they like it or not, have the laws of God written on their hearts. Moral laws are objective and absolutes - they're not invented. It is practical and logical for anybody to be ethical. To say that people don't need God for morality to exist is naive.
u juz explained why and how ppl dont need god. the last sentence was just pointless and only discredits your theory. good does not equal god. so illogical.
Businessman wrote:
Look to history, even people that believe in a diety, thus developed morals. Morals are passed down from parents to childrens who generally believe in God, or even other close relatives that were introduced the morality which was drawm from the concept of God.
all good words, things, and practices did not derive from god nor were influenced by it. bogus claim.
Businessman wrote:
Look to the Declaration of Independance as it calls for all people to be treated equally as they were created by their Creator. In fact, most, if not all of our laws were created by people who believe in God. It is built on Christian principles. That's what makes America great. Reasons why America is too corrupted nowadays, is becuase people are drawm away from this truth. That's becuase people wants to change and rewrite things.
Businessman wrote:
The statement i made by no means suggests that people who believe in God always act morally. But rather, the distinction between good and evil needs God to exist. Becuase without God, no man would not have the idea behind what is good and what is evil. It is God who gave these moral law to mankind eversince the creation. These laws then are passed down to generation to the next. So therefore, one needs God in order to have morality exist.
Businessman wrote:
The reason why a person who dont believe in God knows or has morals, is becuase this person was influenced by the beliefs of the other (one who believes in God). But however, we're not here to debate if believers and nonbelievers are moral. We're discussing about whether morality would exist without God which i clearly shows that to be false. You need God to have morality possible. Thus, Businessman win! Vote for me.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
– Edward Gibbon 
May 9, 2010 - 4:09pm
#4
mSyANG wrote:
u juz explained why and how ppl dont need god. the last sentence was just pointless and only discredits your theory. good does not equal god. so illogical.
The atheistic worldview cannot account for moral absolutes. They can still be moral but cannot account for them.
mSyANG wrote:
all good words, things, and practices did not derive from god nor were influenced by it. bogus claim.
And what right do you have to judge that that is wrong? Without a standard of what is right or wrong, all you can do is offer your own opinion.
October 27, 2009 - 12:49am
#5
Yes.
October 27, 2009 - 10:40am
#6
Businessman wrote:
In fact, most, if not all of our laws were created by people who believe in God. It is built on Christian principles. That's what makes America great. Reasons why America is too corrupted nowadays, is becuase people are drawm away from this truth. That's becuase people wants to change and rewrite things.
1st Amendment state that, 'Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.'1
Yes, America is too corrupted nowadays because they are letting religion slip into our laws. (for example, Banning Gay Marriage and Abortion)
If we stay with a flawed truth we are doom. That is why it is constantly changed and rewritten.
What is consider right and what is consider wrong? We all have different perspectives. Quoting MsYang, "Each person's own set of values and morals are derived from their upbringing, relationships with parents/family, environment, and also through heredity whether they believe in a god or not." Personally I don't believe in God[s] and yes, my principles are influences by my family/friends, evironment, and expirences. Although there may be someone I know that created their ethics base on God's teachings and it may influence my own principles but it don't generally state that my morals exist because of God.
1 Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)
"This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "2 -- Is this moral? To punish with death?
Sources:
1www.law.cornell.edu
2www.biblegateway.com
October 27, 2009 - 11:37am
#7
Of course it can.
If what I do hurts others, then I know it's wrong. If what I do harms me, then I know it is wrong.
Morality comes from within each individual. NOT from God or by any other religious form or being. Each person's own set of values and morals are derived from their upbringing, relationships with parents/family, environment, and also through heredity whether they believe in a god or not.
Everyone understands the distinction between right and wrong...it just depends if they chose to care or not. it doesnt have anything to do with god because religious ppl of all religions have also done unrighteous things; not to say its just the ppl who doesnt believe in a god. religion can play a part in how ppl think and behave, but ultimately it comes down to their own personal values and ethics.